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Cherrelle · 06-07-2009, 03:32 PM

Helo All, will start with the stats!

PC stats

vista ultimate 64
AMD dual core 5000
4GB RAM
GForce 7950 GT Card (1)

I am trying to install TOCA Touring Car Championship on my machine. The game is from 1997.

I change the compatibility mode to 95 to get the installer to run. If I dont change it, i get the message 'cannot run on win32 and windows NT machines'.

When trying to install, it asks if I want to skip the installation of direct X 5.0. When i press Yes to skipping, i get the following error immediately:-

'There was an error whilst trying to install some files, Press okay to quit'.

I Press okay and the installer closes.

If i press no to skipping the installation of directX 5.0, it shows a window teling me that DX5 wil be installed and that if later versions already exist, it will not try to install 5.0. I press okay, and it immediately says that the directX installation failed, I press Ok, it then says 'there was an internal error'.

The most irritating part really is that it gives no error codes or any leads as to find out what is wrong. I am hoping here i may find a little help.

There is an XP machine in the house, here i also change its compatibility to 95, if not i get the same error as above. when trying to install it on there, I get exactly the same errors as above.

I have also tried to install it on virtual pc with 95 installed. the virtual PC uses an emulated graphics card called Trio s3 32/64 PCI. The game installs yet does not display properly. If there is a way to get hold of an 'update' for this emulated card (which i have failed to find so far!) then i would be happy to play the game on the virtual PC.

A classic game I really want to play, i realy hope you can help any more info needed ill be happy to tell, dying to play this old classic again!

PC stats

vista ultimate 64
AMD dual core 5000
4GB RAM
GForce 7950 GT Card (1)

06-07-2009, 04:29 PM

Well to be honest Cherrelle I don't think you can make a silk purse out of a sows ear but I'll leave it open for other members opinions.

**Jelly Bean** · 06-07-2009, 04:42 PM

Hey there.

I agree there is no way this will run.

It appears your Vista and XP machines hardware will not run in a 16 bit mode as in 95.

When I say hardware I mean your graphics card.

Vista and XP were not designed for Direct X 5 but a later version such as 9 and 10.Vista and XP will not let you downgrade to 5.

Direct X is associated with graphics cards.

You have a combination of a very old game trying to run on newer hardware and software machines,it is just not going to go.

It just boils down to incompatibility.

JB.

Cherrelle · 06-07-2009, 05:22 PM

thanks, i had a feeling it was down to incompatability.

what about the virtual pc? the game actualy runs on virtual PC but it cannot display the menus properly. I am assuming the additions Trio S3 Emulated card is as upgraded as it can get? but if that was the case im assuming that an emulated graphics card can aso be updated. I have searched for the potential driver and found it but have not been able to actualy download it! (no download link hehe)

Im also assuming (hoping to be wrong!) that this emulated card (a 4mb card!) cant be 'upgraded' using drivers to a card with more memory. ill be looking into this too but so far ive seen that the virtual PC can not use your actual card which is why an emulated one was put there. I havent seen yet that it cant be 'upgraded'. My hopes are high though but i might have to admit defeat!

anything about teh virtual PC graphics card?

Many thanks for your help i knew id get help here hehe

**Jelly Bean** · 06-07-2009, 05:25 PM

I would admit defeat.

Cherrelle · 06-07-2009, 05:57 PM

Many thanks

Looks like i will have to resort to whipping up somethin old skool' for a tenner

many thanks again!

06-07-2009, 03:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cherrelle Status: Free PC Help New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5 Operating System: 64 PC Experience: able to fix common problems and some more complex but thats it hehe	Problem installing old games (non 16bit instaler games) Helo All, will start with the stats! PC stats vista ultimate 64 AMD dual core 5000 4GB RAM GForce 7950 GT Card (1) I am trying to install TOCA Touring Car Championship on my machine. The game is from 1997. I change the compatibility mode to 95 to get the installer to run. If I dont change it, i get the message 'cannot run on win32 and windows NT machines'. When trying to install, it asks if I want to skip the installation of direct X 5.0. When i press Yes to skipping, i get the following error immediately:- 'There was an error whilst trying to install some files, Press okay to quit'. I Press okay and the installer closes. If i press no to skipping the installation of directX 5.0, it shows a window teling me that DX5 wil be installed and that if later versions already exist, it will not try to install 5.0. I press okay, and it immediately says that the directX installation failed, I press Ok, it then says 'there was an internal error'. The most irritating part really is that it gives no error codes or any leads as to find out what is wrong. I am hoping here i may find a little help. There is an XP machine in the house, here i also change its compatibility to 95, if not i get the same error as above. when trying to install it on there, I get exactly the same errors as above. I have also tried to install it on virtual pc with 95 installed. the virtual PC uses an emulated graphics card called Trio s3 32/64 PCI. The game installs yet does not display properly. If there is a way to get hold of an 'update' for this emulated card (which i have failed to find so far!) then i would be happy to play the game on the virtual PC. A classic game I really want to play, i realy hope you can help any more info needed ill be happy to tell, dying to play this old classic again! PC stats vista ultimate 64 AMD dual core 5000 4GB RAM GForce 7950 GT Card (1)

06-07-2009, 04:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jelly Bean Status: Super Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Swansea Posts: 1,373 Operating System: Windows Vista - Ultimate PC Experience: I Try My Best.	Hey there. I agree there is no way this will run. It appears your Vista and XP machines hardware will not run in a 16 bit mode as in 95. When I say hardware I mean your graphics card. Vista and XP were not designed for Direct X 5 but a later version such as 9 and 10.Vista and XP will not let you downgrade to 5. Direct X is associated with graphics cards. You have a combination of a very old game trying to run on newer hardware and software machines,it is just not going to go. It just boils down to incompatibility. JB. __________________ Rwy'n ceisio fy ngorau......................

06-07-2009, 05:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jelly Bean Status: Super Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Swansea Posts: 1,373 Operating System: Windows Vista - Ultimate PC Experience: I Try My Best.	I would admit defeat. __________________ Rwy'n ceisio fy ngorau......................

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06-07-2009, 04:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wolfeymole Status: Guest Posts: n/a	Well to be honest Cherrelle I don't think you can make a silk purse out of a sows ear but I'll leave it open for other members opinions.

06-07-2009, 05:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cherrelle Status: Free PC Help New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5 Operating System: 64 PC Experience: able to fix common problems and some more complex but thats it hehe	thanks, i had a feeling it was down to incompatability. what about the virtual pc? the game actualy runs on virtual PC but it cannot display the menus properly. I am assuming the additions Trio S3 Emulated card is as upgraded as it can get? but if that was the case im assuming that an emulated graphics card can aso be updated. I have searched for the potential driver and found it but have not been able to actualy download it! (no download link hehe) Im also assuming (hoping to be wrong!) that this emulated card (a 4mb card!) cant be 'upgraded' using drivers to a card with more memory. ill be looking into this too but so far ive seen that the virtual PC can not use your actual card which is why an emulated one was put there. I havent seen yet that it cant be 'upgraded'. My hopes are high though but i might have to admit defeat! anything about teh virtual PC graphics card? Many thanks for your help i knew id get help here hehe

06-07-2009, 05:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cherrelle Status: Free PC Help New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5 Operating System: 64 PC Experience: able to fix common problems and some more complex but thats it hehe	Many thanks Looks like i will have to resort to whipping up somethin old skool' for a tenner many thanks again!